In this video, Ross Rosenberg, M.Ed, LCPC, CADC is interviewed by Dr. Les Carter for his Surviving Narcissism Podcast. It was a delight for Ross, as Dr. Carter is one the few narcissism experts on YouTube who he admires and respects. As veteran psychotherapists, the conversation was easy, relaxed and filled with a great deal of helpful information. In this segment, Ross is asked to explain his "Of Course!" Method, which is a defense technique that goes hand-in-hand with his Observe Don't Absorb (ODA) technique. When The Of Course Method and Observe Don't Absorb are used together, a person can establish a potent defense strategy that will protect them as much as help them to end or escape a harmful relationship.

ABOUT DR. LES CARTER
Dr. Les Carter is a best-selling author and therapist, and host of the Surviving Narcissism podcast who has semi-retired to Waco, TX. In the past 40+ years, he has conducted more than 65,000 counseling sessions and many workshops and seminars. He specializes in anger management and narcissistic personality disorder.

Learn more about Dr. Les Carter at www.SurvivingNarcissism.tv or www.DrLesCarter.com.

ABOUT ROSS ROSENBERG
Ross Rosenberg M.Ed., LCPC, CADC is a psychotherapist, educator, expert witness, and celebrated author. He is also a global thought leader and clinical expert in codependency, trauma, pathological narcissism, narcissistic abuse, and addictions.

Ross's pioneering codependency contributions are responsible for the sweeping theoretical and practical updates and developing a treatment program that permanently resolves it.

Ross has been featured on national TV and radio and is a regular radio and podcast guest. In addition, he has traveled the world, giving his one-of-a-kind keynote presentations and educational workshops.

His global impact is best illustrated by his 23 million viewed/240,000 subscribed YouTube channel and the sale of 150,000 Human Magnet Syndrome books published in 12 languages.

In 2013, Ross created The Self-Love Recovery Institute, a hub for his personal development, workshops, professional training, retreats, other programs, and services. Learn more at www.SelfLoveRecovery.com.

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