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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with author and founder of the Flow Genome Project, Jamie Wheal. They discuss the death of God as it can be understood in the secular world, the new rise of Pharisees across mainstream religions, how to guard the proper aim against human corruption, and the true pathology of the culture wars — and who is leading it downward.

Jamie Wheal is the author of “Recapture the Rapture: Rethinking God, Sex and Death In a World That's Lost Its Mind” and the Pulitzer-nominated “Stealing Fire: How Silicon Valley,” “Navy SEALs,” and “Maverick Scientists Are Revolutionizing the Way We Live and Work.” He is also the founder of the Flow Genome Project, an international organization dedicated to the research and training of peak performance.

His work and ideas have been covered in The New York Times, Financial Times, Wired, Entrepreneur, Harvard Business Review, Forbes, Inc., and TED. He has spoken at Stanford University, MIT, the Harvard Club, Imperial College, Singularity University, the U.S. Naval War College and Special Operations Command, Sandhurst Royal Military Academy, the Bohemian Club, and the United Nations.

This episode was filmed on September 8th, 2024

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“Recapture the Rapture” (Book) https://www.recapturetherapture.com/

Flow Genome Project https://www.flowgenomeproject.com/


- Chapters -

(0:00) Coming up
(0:37) Intro
(2:37) The death of God: secularized
(9:05) Nietzsche was wrong about this, the reiterating cataclysm
(11:56) Camille Paglia’s take on Eric Neumann
(13:52) Combatting the continual rise of the Pharisees, higher-order unity
(19:13) Kurt Anderson, religious schisms, and reformation
(23:46) “The Selfish Gene,” sexual reproduction, and the idea of randomness
(28:37) Insuring the proper aim against corruption, the four promises of the covenant
(36:57) The dopamine system and hero mythology
(38:37) The Biblical teachings on co-creation and stewardship: “It’s not a just-so story”
(44:39) The implicit moral order cannot be replaced by the presumptions of human beings
(47:27) The science of reiterative play disproves moral relativism
(58:11) The true pathology of the culture wars, bad actors weaponize high virtues
(1:07:03) 1 in 13 have Dark Tetrad traits, civility and anonymity
(1:14:16) Andrew Tate, the fallacy in leading with power
(1:16:20) Merit-based societies benefit everyone, not just those with merit
(1:18:40) Addressing economic disparity through economic freedom and the Judeo-Christian ethic
(1:25:58) What makes a society wealthy — and how that is emulated in Christ
(1:28:24) Jordan Peterson’s hopes for Elon Musk, the story of Job
(1:34:22) Strange new spiritualities that take the place of religion



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