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Diana Montalion - Systems Architect, Mentrix Founder & Author of "Learning Systems Thinking" ‪@dianamontalion‬
Andrew Harmel-Law - Technical Principal at Thoughtworks & Author of “Facilitating Software Architecture” ‪@andrewharmel-law1436‬

RESOURCES
Diana
https://hachyderm.io/@diana
https://bsky.app/profile/mentrix.bsky...
https://x.com/dianamontalion
https://github.com/dianamontalion
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https://blog.montalion.com
https://learningsystemsthinking.com

Andrew
https://x.com/al94781
https://twit.social/@ahl
https://github.com/andrewharmellaw
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https://andrewharmellaw.github.io

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DESCRIPTION
Andrew Harmel-Law and Diana Montalion explore the critical importance of systems thinking in software development and organizational dynamics. Diana Montalion touches on her new book, "Learning Systems Thinking," highlighting how traditional linear approaches to problem-solving often fall short in today's complex environments. She emphasizes that effective systems leadership requires not only recognizing the interconnectedness of various components but also fostering collaborative thinking and decision-making among teams.

By engaging in practices that enhance understanding and adaptability, organizations can better navigate challenges and drive meaningful change, moving beyond simplistic solutions to embrace a more holistic view of their systems. [...]

TIMECODES
00:00 Intro
01:59 Why does Systems Thinking matter?
05:25 Tackling complexity in tech
12:28 Working with systems: Why pushing for change often pushes back
19:06 Counterintuitiveness
25:28 Leading with Systems Thinking: Beyond awareness to action
33:59 Clarity in Systems Thinking
39:51 Outro

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Diana Montalion • Learning Systems Thinking • https://amzn.to/3ZpycdJ
Andrew Harmel-Law • Facilitating Software Architecture • https://amzn.eu/d/5kZKVfU
Donella H. Meadows • Thinking in Systems • https://amzn.to/3XtqYCV
Donella H. Meadows • Limits to Growth • https://amzn.to/4d9sik4
Robert M. Pirsig • Zen & the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance • https://amzn.to/4ekfJU0

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