For episode 172, Elia Ayoub and Daniel Voskoboynik talk about a very difficult topic: the Holocaust and the Nakba. The ongoing Israeli genocide in Gaza brings up urgent questions about how memory is weaponized. Elia also talks about Jonathan Glazer,'s The Zone of Interest and the haunting parallels between the everyday life of the Nazi family portrayed in that movie, and the normalization of genocidal rhetoric in Israeli politics today.



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Episode Links:




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Elia's piece: The Ghosts of Israel's Future, Part 1 (https://www.hauntologies.net/p/the-gh...)




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Multidirectionary Memory (https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=9997)  by Michael Rothberg




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Rachel Auerbuch, Yad Vashem and Israeli Holocaust Memory (https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=9997)




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Unzere Kinder (https://www.jewishfilm.org/Catalogue/...) , a film (1946, 1948)




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Ancestral Future, (https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Ancestral...)  by Ailton Krenak




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Trailer of The Zone of Interest (   • The Zone of Interest | Official Trail...  )




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Jonathan Glazer calls out Israel's weaponisation of the holocaust (   • Jonathan Glazer calls out Israel's we...  )




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Mir Kumen On, a film (1936) (https://filmforum.org/film/mir-kumen-...)




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The Holocaust and the Nakba: a new Grammar of Trauma and History (http://cup.columbia.edu/book/the-holo...)




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Raez Zreik: The Palestinian Question as a Jewish Question (   • The Palestinian Question as a Jewish ...  )






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First video essay on YouTube by Ayman Makarem: Zionism from the Standpoint of Its Victims (   • Zionism From the Standpoint of its Vi...  )  and subscribe to our channel






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Host(s): Elia Ayoub and Daniel Voskoboynik | Producers: Aydın Yıldız, Elia Ayoub, israa' abdel fattah, Ayman Makarem and/or Leila Al-Shami | Music: ⁠⁠Rap and Revenge⁠⁠ (https://www.rapandrevenge.com/)  | TFTT theme design: ⁠⁠Wenyi Geng⁠⁠ (https://wenyigeng.com/)  | FTP theme design: Hisham Rifai (  / bizri.6  )  | Sound editor: Elliott Miskovicz (http://www.astickandastone.com/)  | Team profile pics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Molly Crabapple⁠ (https://www.mollycrabapple.com/) ⁠⁠ | Episode design: Elia Ayoub



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